Okay, okay. So this is a few days late for Valentine’s Day, but this was a fun little exchange and my first interaction with a real life homophobic bigot! I always picture homophobes as a spreading a more subtle sort of mind poison with the Fred Phelps types being the extremes that get a disproportionate amount of publicity from the media for just being more loud about it, not the homophobic cartoon you see in bad LGBT fiction. But lo and behold, this is a true story.
It started in back in September, I posted an image with a quote from Louis CK about gay marriage on my Facebook page. This one, in fact:
Not a particularly hilarious image, but I agree with the sentiment. It should also be noted I have always been very outspoken about gay rights, even when I was still in the proverbial closet. I had posted numerous things like this on my Facebook page before without incident.
If you follow my Deviantart, you’ve probably seen this exchange in one of my journal posts. This is an elaboration of that exchange.
So I randomly get a response from a girl I knew in high school. We weren’t particularly close friends. More like we had a few classes together, therefore we friended each other on Facebook to be polite. I don’t even remember who added who first.
Anyhoo, I hadn’t heard anything from her until this post:
Lovely, right? For hating gays so much, she sure put an awful lot of detail in the glory hole comment. But wait, there’s more!
The next dozen comments are a legion of friends essentially calling her out before I decided to just block her. I figured it wasn’t a huge loss and not worth having that crap on my wall. And with that I thought it was over. Good riddance.
I should preface this second part with an apology to my readers. I’m horrible at responding to private messages. I just don’t bother checking my inbox on a regular basis and when I do, I’m presented with an influx of old messages sometimes several months old.
In the case of Facebook, the prompt for private messages from non-friends isn’t as obvious as when you get a message from people on your friends list. I had just found this part of my private messages and were cleaning them out when I found this one specific note. What I didn’t realize was that wasn’t my supposed friend posting at all but rather her husband using her account.
I know this because he sent a message saying so back in October. I just didn’t see it until a few days ago . . . on Valentine’s Day. Talk about wonderful timing!
Yes, a special V-Day message on how I’m a lesbian because no man will ever love me. I don’t get where he thinks I’m single being that it’s right there on my fb page that I’m in a relationship and have been for six years but whatever. I doubt deductive reasoning is his strong suit. :/
Also I “would even make dirt look worse”? So does that mean I’m more attractive than dirt then? Thanks? I guess?
Maybe I’m just petty and have this compulsion to have the last word in a good “debate”. But here it is four months later and I just had to respond. (Apologies to my more religious readers). Also, I’d like to thank my friend Keith for helping me with the second part.
I haven’t got a response yet. I normally try to keep things more civil, but this guy’s such a homophobic cartoon that I can’t take him seriously.
I can’t help but wonder if my former friend shares the same views towards gays as her husband. It makes me wonder what he’s doing lurking on his wife’s facebook account harassing her friends. I would hope that, assuming she is a decent human being, that she comes to her senses and dumps this guy. Also, and this is the one part I find most disheartening, I know some of that is going to rub off on their kids.
The point of me posting this besides publicly shaming this guy is to point out the one silver lining on my end. It prompted me to finally come out to my family (note the ‘liking chicks’ comment in my initial response) which they all read and sent emails in support. They’re all cool with it (albeit totally not surprised). I probably would have kept putting it off otherwise. I guess you could say this was an icebreaker.
And thusly I can now be as gay as I want without having to worry about hiding it from people. The people who matter already know and have been awesome about it so really none of this has phased me personally in the least.
Moral of the story: Stick to your guns and just be you. I spent years of my life agonizing over that one part of myself and whether or not I should openly express it specifically because I was afraid of what people like that would say. As I got older, I got braver and eventually stopped caring what other people think. Honestly I was surprised by how unaffected I was by everything he said. When people try to push you around, just push back.
In the end, my girlfriend had a good laugh at this and then went out for dinner. All in all, best Valentine’s Day ever. 
Straight, single, male, atheist here. I loved the post.
I’m just going to quote Mark Twain.
“Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.”
I’ll gladly join all of the cool people in hell (obviously if there was one), as long as all of the closed-minded bigots are somewhere else.
I just realized the other day, it seems like so many of the artists and such that I follow on DA, mostly the girls, are all lesbians. I know it’s just a coincidence, but it just seems like they (you included) have some of the better art. Funny.
Oh well, see you in hell. I hope somebody brings marshmellows. An eternity of toasted marshmellows doesn’t sound half bad.
I’ll bring the marshmallows if you bring the chocolate. I figure someone else could bring the graham crackers. We could make hell-smores!
A’right. I’ll put in my will that I want a viking burial on a pile of crackers. Should be enough to last us a while, though if all the gays and atheists and non-Christians and non-Catholics/Baptists/Protestants/Whateverists end up in hell, I might have to resort to rationing. Just a heads-up, folks.
Straight, married, male, atheist here. Glad you stuck to your guns.
It’s amazing that these bigoted assholes aren’t more ashamed of themselves. It’s ridiculous that they can say these things and no one but the victims call them out. What ever happened to just being a decent human being? Whatever happened to minding your own business and judging an individual not on the person they love but their actions and character?
Well fuck people like Seth (not literally). I can only ironically pray to Hitchens this guy’s kids grow up to realize all of their father’s indoctrination is bullshit.
And here’s a sweet tid-bit of medical SCIENCE:
Is homophobia associated with sexual arrousal?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
tl;dr – sho’ is.
Hope to see you over at reddit.com/r/atheism!
Hehe, glad to know my response is supported by science. XD
I do lurk over at /atheism occasionally.
Personally, I have spent countless hours and days trying to decipher this problem, and still haven’t found an answer: “How can someone support marriage and be against marriage at the same time?” I mean, I know all about their fantasy books and stuff (and they have the audacity to laugh at us, just because their books’re older), but it just doesn’t click.
And on a related note, I’m a staunch opponent of the term “gay marriage”. Seeing as we don’t have a “redhead marriage” or “lefthanded marriage”, I just don’t understand why we can’t say “marriage” and be done with it. I mean, as long as there’s more than one of you, you’re all adults, and no one is forced into it, that’s enough for marriage to me.
And finally, the redheads and southpaws in the previous paragraph aren’t chosen randomly. Although it would probably be absurd to even strongly insane (sorry, religious) people nowadays, there were times when these groups were shunned and ostracised – either for having no souls (redheads) or for being the spawn of Satan (left-handed folk – he does get around, doesn’t he?) – so there’s a chance that one day, people will be more bothered by actual problems than who someone else should sleep with.
You raise a good point, actually. I think it’s because we still have trouble with what constitutes “people” to begin with. When we stop dividing everyone up into “black people” or “gay people” or any other demographic unnecessarily and come to terms with the fact that everyone is a person who deserves to be treated equally that we’ll be able to refer to it as just “marriage”.
Here’s an article that talks about the use of terminology that’s a good read: http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/02/12/naming-and-framing-marriage-between-people-of-the-same-sex/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SociologicalImagesSeeingIsBelieving+%28Sociological+Images%3A+Seeing+Is+Believing%29
Interesting article. I was, however (brought up as I am by literature and books), greatly inspired (or perhaps formed, gelled, coalesced) in my opinion on this matter by Jane Fletcher’s Lyremouth Chronicles fantasy series.
Oh, and since we’re sharing, these posts are made by:
straight so far (because it’s impossible for me to say I won’t ever be attracted to another man), not really bothering with relationships, male (of questionable masculinity, though not to a point of being trans- anything), and agnostic atheist with slightly better than average background in world religions.
This is inspiring!
But I just wish that I lived in a country that wasn’t mostly homophobic because of how religious we are. My mom seems to not be homophobic but there’s such a thing a double standards. And I know dad won’t approve. I haven’t even gone to college yet so I’m not able to support myself if my parents shut me off so I’ll wait until I have a solid job and when I can support myself independently.
I really happy that at least you are surrounded by many supporting friends and family! And I’m happy that you’re confident and wasn’t bothered by his comment.
I haven’t even told a soul yet and it’s just eating me alive by the day. Especially because of the fact that so many people are so nice to me and call me their friend and I know that they won’t be if they really knew about that part of me.
Oh, and it’s worse that I’m going to a Catholic school.
I’m really happy that you live a good life where you’re proud and can be you without little bother other than that asshole and a few others.
If it’s any consolation, I was in the same position you’re in back when I was younger. I knew I was gay back when I was eleven. That was around the same time my parents wanted to get me out of public school and put me in Catholic school as well. I was only in for a year, but it was a resoundingly negative experience. I was bullied because they suspected I was a lesbian (something I hadn’t told anyone about and hadn’t admitted to myself) . That was about the time I became really withdrawn and had suicidal thoughts. My parents didn’t know what was going on, but decided to get me out of there because it was apparent that I had changed.
In that sense I was lucky but it probably kept me from telling anyone for a really long time. I didn’t come out to anyone until I was 21 because I had convinced myself that there was something wrong with me. Also, twelve year old girls have enough to worry about without whether or not they’re going to hell being one of them.
Also, my family is a lot more open minded than they used to be. My dad in particular. Both sides used to be really devout catholics who distanced themselves from the church as time went on. I don’t think any of them identify as catholic anymore. But if I had come out back then, they probably wouldn’t have been as supportive as they are now. I was honestly very surprised by how cool my dad was about it.
All in all, I think the reason I’m so outspoken about it is because I spent so much time when I was younger in the same position you’re in. And I know how much it sucks.
I also know how much better it feels when it’s finally out in the open. It’s just a real bear getting there.
Oh, and I also waited until I was out on my own before coming out. Just to be safe.
I really don’t understand the “biblical arguments”; are they reading a different text than I am?
In the old testament, the vast majority of “marriages” revered are some sort of polygamy (see 1 Chronicles Chapter 3 for example). In the new testament, Jesus makes it very clear that marriage is a bad idea.
1 Corinthians 7:8
I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
… and divorce is evil:
Matthew 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall aput away his wife, saving for the cause of cfornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
I see nothing against Lesbian marriage anywhere in the text. There is one verse in Romans which is interpretable as against gay (male) sex, or as being against a particular religious practice. There are some horribly translated verses that can be interpreted as anti-gay – much like Exodus 22:18, which suggests the death penalty for a group that didn’t exist when the text was originally written.
There really isn’t much there – and there are prohibitions against shellfish, or waring 2 different types of threads together, that appear to be at least of equal importance. Heck, the shellfish thing is in three verses.
My conclusion is that they’re largely making it up. Most of those who actually study biblical literature know that being against gay marriage is a sham.
Unfortunately. your approach requires independent thought.
I’ve read about a few different theories when it comes to anti-gay rhetoric in the Bible.
One is that Biblical times, being without the benefit of modern science, thought that a man’s seed was extremely limited. At this time, the Hebrews were in desperate need of increasing their population and saw any kind of unproductive sex (sex that didn’t lead to babies) as a waste of perfectly good sperm. This included sodomy, masturbation, and gay sex. This would also explain why lesbians aren’t condemned in the bible to the extent that gay men are. Or not mentioned at all, I guess.
Two, rape was a common practice in war. After one side won a battle, the winning side would rape the losing side in order to demoralize them. This theory would be that the bible originally condemned that act and later was applied to all gay sex.
And three, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah isn’t about the evil gays at all, rather a story about xenophobia and hospitality. When the townspeople want Lot to turn the angels over to them so that they may know them, they’re actually intending to rough them up for being strangers. And Lot is spared from the destruction because he was kind to them. How this would have made the leap to gays are evil is unknown to me.
If the bible is this open to interpretation then it means one of these things:
- Omnipotent, omniscient god lacked the foresight to dictate to us what he really meant so there weren’t such radically different interpretations.
- He knew all along and was just trolling. In which case, what’s the point?
- They’re making it up.
I’m going with number three.
I guess I should disclose that I’m an atheist, although I’m also a former minister.
The Bible is a selection of texts that was written over roughly 1400 years. They were written by multiple different religions, some texts are translations into the Hebrew or Greek (never mind later translations, such as to English). There is evidence of significant editorial work even in the older tracts (indeed, that’s how the Song of Deborah ends up inside a text believed to have been written about 6 centuries later, or why there are two accounts of crossing the Sea of Reeds – one of which involves Moses, the other of which never mentions him).
Then there are the transcription errors, some of which we know of because some texts have been divergent for millennia (or centuries), and now don’t look the same; we are not, for example, certain which Torah Jesus studied (if any – the only fully independent information we appear to have on Jesus is that he died); there were multiple divergent Torah in common use in the area around that time. There have been additions and deletions, some of which we aren’t certain which version is more accurate to the original source(s).
And that’s ignoring the problems with trying to interpret a text written with an entirely different set of assumptions and assumed background, as you mention above.
In other words, it’s often very hard to discern what a particular text originally meant, even to the original author.
I think that pretending that the Bible is cohesive is one of the primary failings of (many forms of) Christianity; even if you limit yourself to studying the canonical Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) you’ll quickly discover that they aren’t cohesive – nor are they from the same religious viewpoint. Or if you limit yourself to studying early Genesis, you’ll quickly note that there are two rather different creation stories that contradict each other, and that make different assumptions about their deity. There are literally hundreds of examples – almost everywhere that the Bible mentions the same event twice (heck – even the ten commandments aren’t exactly the same in the two places that they’re listed – one assumes the events in Genesis 2:2-3; the other does not).
A secondary failing (not shared by all Christian religions) is pretending that something from the Bible must be moral. The Bible describes in positive terms mass rape, genocide, and death penalties for things which aren’t even crimes in any modern country I’m aware of (example – cursing a parent).
That said, some portions of the Bible are useful histories – parts of 1 Kings and 2 Kings are some of the best remaining histories we have of that time and era (they refer to better histories, but we no longer have copies). Many parts are interesting texts of legends and religious beliefs.
I guess I’ll state that what caused me to become an atheist wasn’t just studying the Bible – it was also studying my religion’s opinion on some theological details – and realizing that what our clergy believed was very divergent from what they taught on central theological points.
Wow. I had always wondered how much the bible had possibly changed over the course of a couple of millenia’s worth of translations and a small portion of people who could even actually read it, let alone interpret it. I didn’t consider those other problems, though.
Yours is probably the most well researched refutations of the bible I’ve seen.
This is probably a dumb question, but are there any particular reasons as to why there’s multiple accounts any given event in the bible? I know the bible has multiple authors, but why put in conflicting stories? And I wonder how that reconciles with fundamentalist christian belief. How can all of it be THE word of god if it’s so conflicted in its information?
Outside of very basic bible class teaching, I’ve obviously never really studied the bible in any sort of depth. Pointing out contradictions in the bible is easy so I had never really bothered with anything past that. I think your posts make very strong arguments for atheism past the usual “oh here’s a piece of scripture that contradicts you” sort of argument that has always bugged me.
The simple answer is that the Bible and indeed Christianity itself has been warped beyond recognition from its origins in the First Century CE.
Most of those changes were political in origin. See, “Modern” Christianity can trace it beginnings to the Fourth Century, not the First, with the creation of the State sponsored Christian Church of the newly Reunified Roman Empire in 324 CE. Constantine the I sought the support of the vast underclass (read populist) of the Empire and the Army by ‘converting’ privately to their religion. Now, while history (and I) does support the idea that Constantine did in fact convert, many regard his conversion as a political act, rather than one of pure faith. But no matter, “as goes the Emperor, so goes the Empire”. Within a short time of his establishment of dominion over the empire the political classes (patricians) converted en mass to the ‘new’ faith of the Empire.
Only there was a problem. See, because of how long Christianity was a local rather than national entity; it had changed based on the customs and beliefs of local communities, rather than the holding to any form of Orthodoxy. So, since it was now ‘okay’ to proclaim your faith in public, arguments began to break out as to what it was to be ‘Christian’. And ‘heresy’ became rampant (particularly the Arian Heresy, I won’t get into details here but it’s quite an enlightening event, look it up). Because of the violence related to this new problem (lotsa people getting murdered because they weren’t ‘real’ Christians) Constantine called the Ecumenical Council of Nicaea to work this crap out. And what would eventually emerge as the Catholic and Greek Orthodox Churches emerged (and that Arius bum was thrown out of the empire, went to the Germanies and preached there, leading to centuries of religious antagonism culminating in the Thirty Years War in 1618-48). Anyway the Ecumenical Council decided that they needed to codify the different Bibles (I’ve heard estimates in the hundreds, all different from each other) of the local churches into one unified one. So, they argued over which books to include and which to throw out (Revelations, by the way, was almost dismissed from the Bible for being ‘off message’ from the the rest of the New Testament, but the Council thought that everyone would take it as metaphorical and left it in…Thanks guys! You’ve sure saved us a lot of grief. *Rolls eyes*), and the “Modern” Bible was born.
Now as to this sanctity of marriage garbage: there is no such thing.
Yes, you heard me right. There is no such thing in the Catholic tradition until 1563.
1563!
Before then the majority of Marriages were legal contracts made in private between two individuals in the presence of a witness, who did not have to be (and rarely was) a member of the clergy!
And Martin Luther, for all you protestants out there, regarded marriage as ‘a worldly thing’ to be state business, not the Church’s!
Beyond that, the concept of marriage between ‘one man and one woman’ is almost as new!
See, women were ‘property’ for much of European history and, then much as now, the more powerful the man the more ‘property’ he owned. Charlemagne had (according to some histories) as many as eight wives; and many of those marriages ran concurrent with each other!
Now, I am a Deist and my wife a more or less ‘lapsed’ European Catholic. And we both agree that this ‘argument’ about marriage is crap. More over, it is a “dangly keys” issue, which I wrote a paper on and gave a speech about back in college (granted the key “dangly key” issue I addressed was this nonsense about abortion, but I mentioned marriage in the speech as essentially the same), that is used to motivate political blocks with no intent to actually act on the issue!
Ugh! Okay I’m done for now. I will however leave you with this personal thought. If you and your girlfriend love each other… who are we to stand between you? There I’m done. (This is dkz02 from DA, BTW!!! Hello!)
“This is probably a dumb question, but are there any particular reasons as to why there’s multiple accounts any given event in the bible? I know the bible has multiple authors, but why put in conflicting stories?”
I’m sorry I took so long to answer, but this is actually (in general) a rather difficult question. We’re talking about the motives of editors and authors over multiple centuries, so it’s likely that there are multiple reasons.
I think the simplest answer is “we don’t know” which, for the old testament is largely correct. However, let’s think in the context of those times:
There is no internet, indeed there is no printing.
An author or editor has temporary access to a valuable document that is a major source for what they’re writing.
No one (or virtually no one) else who reads what they are writing will have access to that document.
Now they could reference the original document despite these problems; that’s done in a number of places (ex: 1 Kings 14:19) “And the rest of the acts of Jeroboam how he warred and how he reigned behold they are written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel” Unfortunately, in many cases (like this one), the original source no longer exists.
Another solution (as this more than a millennium before the first copyright law) is to copy that source directly, right before or after the new text. I would guess that this is why the Song of Deborah (Judges 5, believed to be around 12th century BCE) is immediately after Judges 4 (written likely in the 6th or 7th century BCE), which purports to be about the same thing.
As to why, say, Judges 4 doesn’t match Judges 5 in some of its basic facts – I don’t know. Perhaps Judges 5 was added by an editor after its original author, to provide a contrasting view, much as a modern reporter might seek out an opposing view for a story. We are nearly certain that Judges had an editor/redactor after its (possibly singular) author; why else would a largely anti-monarchist text have periodic declarations “In those days there was no king in Israel; every man did that which was right in his own eyes,”?
I’m glad this story has a happy ending and that you still have the love and support of your family and friends.
Your last paragraph to the bigot usiong his wife’s account was particularly telling, as I honestly believe that most of those guys are self-hating gay twits. I wouldn’t doubt it if it was discovered that Rick Santorum was secretly gay, like that other senator who got caught tring to slicit a gay protitute in a bathroom, Larry Craig.
Also, his argument about you being fat and ugly, and unable to get a man is one I’ve seen against women who critique comics for its gross sexualization of women. It’s a (sadly) normal counter for those idiots who can’t grasp that women are actually people and really don’t like stuff that enforce how much of a second class citizen they are.
In the end, you’re awesome the way you are, and though the bigots may shout louder, you’re going to get more love and support from those of us who like to consider ourselves good, decent people.
Thank you.
You’re probably right about Santorum. I remember watching an old Bill Hicks stand up where he was talking about how you can’t be that far right-wing and not have some deep, dark secret.
Also there’s a website that keeps count of the number of days since the last prominent homophobe got caught in a gay sex scandal: http://gayhomophobe.com/
I see the fat, ugly, unable to get a man comments as last-ditch arguments for when they can’t come up with anything better to say. It’s like when you disagree with someone in comments on the internet, someone will inevitably come back with something along the lines of getting in the kitchen and making them a sandwich. There’s nothing witty or particularly intelligent about the comeback. It’s just something for when they lack a more thoughtful response.
Gay, Single (Sadly) Agnostic/Polytheist
I always enjoy seeing homophobes put in their place, it gives me even further joy when they use religion as their argument.
One thing that i couldn’t help but wonder when he said that it was HIM on his WIFE’S Facebook was that hes insecure about a lot more than just whether or not there are gay people in the world.
My thoughts exactly. I was wondering about that myself. I was thinking maybe he felt the need to come after me for “littering” his wife’s facebook page with something he didn’t want her to see. And maybe the fact that I unfriended her was a bonus?
I can’t think of a reason to surf on your significant other’s facebook account without having some kind of ulterior motive.
I was thinking that he was one of those types of guys who are constantly checking on everything that their wives are doing to ensure that they arent cheating.
Either that or his self-esteem is so crap that he just assumes shes gonna eventually cheat, and with a mind as closed and ignorant as his i wouldnt be surprised if she did.
Human, Agnostic
I beleive most of the stuff I wanted to say has already been said, and I do love some of the points Zembel made. It basically explains the major reason why I find it very hard to beleive in christianity, but that’s outside of this discussion anyway
What I did want to add was this: You are awesome, and I love how you put that homophobic in his place. What scares me about those kind of people is that even when every single argument they have gets shredded they (most of them anyway) retort to insults and threats instead of learning something. Their personal “pride” is so important they’d rather hurt someone than loose face. That’s why I love it when people like you do what you did
Keep up the good work with the comic, I like it so far
I used to be a homophobe like him, until I took a penis to the knee…..
Wait, what? Sorry, Skyrim on the brain, couldn’t resit. Admit it, it was funny. I dare you not to laugh. I double dog dare you. Take that Erica
I remember seeing this on Facebook, think even you mentioning it. It’s people like this that can make you loose faith in humanity. After all the centuries, we still have so many problems with hatred. These people are truly sad and pathetic.
It’s amazing how fast they like to bring up the religion card. I’m sure I can find a dozen more references in the bible supporting a woman’s place is in the kitchen making me a sammich. That doesn’t make it any more right or correct, not in this century. It’s too easy to take such an old text and twist it to your purpose, and ignore the rest society and religion have passed as intolerable behavior. If you’re going to use something as your source, be wary of other things in it that have no support any more and are considered illegal/immoral. Make sit hard for it to be a great source for your debate, it obviously has a FEW holes in it.
I do like you bringing up the first amendment. People forget, as much as they and some of our leaders may believe, this is not truly a Christian country. If Congress can’t set a religion, then religion has no place in our government. I’m sure that’s where the whole separation of church and state come in….
One thing I always like to bring up, though not a legal document, but still very important on what this country stands for and what our Founding Father’s believed in. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” First line, second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. What defines that more, than find that one person that means more to you and spending your life with them?
I will also agree with you guys on the source of his hatred and his poor insults. He has some serious issues. I would say he should go back to grade school where his sort of arguing is more fitting. I would however be insulting grad schoolers and their more tolerant behavior. Granted he would fit right in with the bullies, because that’s all he really is. He just tries to put in religion to give him more support and the appearance of higher ground, but bullies never have that.
Do not worry, if anyone gets this bad in front of you and Allison. I will quickly and decisively with ninja like precision, speed and stealthiness. Bash their face into a table, wall, whatever is handy, bash something into their knee, ect. If you prefer, with Rainbow Dash like abilities. Ok violence is not the answer, but it makes you feel better and some times seems to get your point across to idiots and assholes(this guy is both).
You both should keep being honest with yourselves, happy about it and not giving a shit about what others that don’t matter to you think. You’re actual friends will continue to support you (with in reason of course. Not going to make Allison’s loop hole mistake), as that’s what friends are for.
*Brohoof*
Female, Gay, Believes in some sort of higher power that will probably condemn her to hell for liking boobs
And lol’d. They obviously don’t read their bible very seriously. I mean, hell. it’s in the 10 Commandments :0 “Thou Shall not Judge” that’s their god’s job. And ya’know if they read it a bit deeper that’d also find. “To hate someone is to kill them in your heart” it’s a sin to hate :<
And going even further than that, Didn't Jesus hang out with the lowest of the lows? He didn't hang out in the grand cathedrals, with the religious folk. He hung out with whore's.
Now i offer a question… If there god was all about love, understanding, showing others the way through kindness. why is he a bigot? o.o
I've known plenty of religious people who aren't biggots. hell, my doctor is one. me and her get along great! she's married, 3 kids, husband. total jesus freak. knows full well i'm gay, and doesn't seem to give a rip. me and her have lots of great talks whenever i visit, hell, i've even had dinner with her family a few times, cool woman. even her husband and kids are cool, lol.
So i don't get why they have such a large contrast between awesome understanding and accepting people…to bigots. All the religious people i've known who were cool and accepting, totally secure in their sexuality, i've even had a few christian girls(pretty ones too
) flirt with me.
It truly does seem the homophobes are in the closet about their sexualty, lol. 'cause otherwise, why would they care so much? XD
just the two cents of someone who grew up reading the bible and around religious people who aren't tolerating, just accepting.
Well its been awhile since I commented and in my love life. Things happened. Anyway its amazing what homophobes will say now a days no? I am personally mostly christian but I believe that god doesn’t really give a damn who we are with. Since the human race is so over populated and killing everything else he created.
And that he wont send you to hell for it. same if you don’t believe him. I respect and understand that.
I’m not much of a preacher so I shall end my belief on god.
I really don’t see why homophobes have to make a while scene of it though. Sure they don’t have to like it but that doesn’t mean they should go trolling on it.
I am as you stood up for yourself against the senseless morons. Great pages by the way ^^
BK, I may not be a homosexual myself, but I support your desires for equal rights and fair treatment. I know reading what those people wrote must have hurt some, but remember: by forgiving them their shortcomings (in this case a crippling fear of anything non christian resulting in a childish violent reaction) then by the rules of their religion it makes you better than them.
I just finished recording the audio for a rant on a similar subject that I was going to post on youtube and I’l email you the link for a good laugh when it’s done and posted.
Ok the entire conversation was brilliant. so much I decided to even share the same image on my facebook and see if any of my “polite” contacts which never said a word will react.
well the only thing that want to ask about the entire conversation is… never said that they would speak with their kids (ugly or not) did they?
Eating this post while eating popcorn was an excellent experience. Oh, the drama.
I had a similar experience yesterday where a highschool friend posted on one of my status updates going nuts with the slut shaming. It took all of my effort to not to get really rude and argue my point. Facebook is an interesting place to see how highschool doesn’t always shape a person, and that our experiences after can send us in wildly different directions.